Reply To: Question of an ignorant, closed-minded Lubavitcher

ARSo,

As to the story that the Lubavicher rebbe said that a poshute chossid who learns chassidus is on a higher madreiga than the Chazon ish

He never said that. What he did say is in the sicha I brought above from Toras Menachem (Hebrewbooks).

Hey! Did you intentionally leave me out? I’m hurt!

I was mentioning those who are overtly vocal in a bit of an immature way.
I feel that your style of arguing (while I strongly disagree) is more logical and less emotional than those I mentioned.

his parents would only agree to the shidduch if the Rayatz agreed to nominate him as the next rebbe

Reb Chaim Liberman was the Rebbe Rayatz’s secretary, and he recounts that Rebbitzin Chana (Rebbe’s mother) came to see the Rebbe Rayatz to see the kalla, and asked him for nadden. He said that they didn’t have any money. She said, I don’t need money, I want a promise for rabbisteveh.

This has nothing to do with the Rebbe himself, and the historical facts of 5710 are known.

it details that fights that went on behind the scenes after the petirah of the Rayatz.

To the best of my knowledge, the fights were between Chassidism who wanted the “Ramash” to be Rebbe, and Rashag who wanted to be Rebbe. The Rebbe stayed away from the fighting.

I’ll have to find the sefer (I think I know which one you’re talking about) and see what it says.

Menachem, you said that 5783 is anti-Lubavich. Are you serious? He constantly toes the party-line to the extreme. Or did I mix up 5783 with someone else?

Some quotes from 5783:

-“you’re rebbe was never בחזקת משיח to begin with”

-“your משיח שקר [עפ”ל!] did not say the same thing as דבי ר׳ שילה”

-“To Menachem maybe you can explain how that דעה נפסדה fits with the י״ג עיקרים “

-“if you learned the מקורות than please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your rebbe was בחזקת משיח”

-“The Lubavitcher is a משיח שקר [עפ”ל!] is because he doesn’t have any of the סימני משיח brought down in rambam”

Yeah, you get the point.

“every Chabad yeshiva has a Gemara seder on Shabbos”
Are you sure of that?

Yes. People asked the Rebbe if they should follow the 1/3 or only chassidus (each way was written by the Rebbe Rashab in different places), the Rebbe said that he preferred the first way, and he indeed spoke lengthy nigleh sichos during the Shabbos farbrengens (possibly even more than chassidus).

Every Chabad yeshiva has Gemara seder on Shabbos. (Many don’t even keep to the “only 1/3” rule).

Lubavich, and the rebbe, were always against daf yomi.

Indeed, I’m not very fond of it either (but let’s please not get into that!). My point was that it’s not considered “ossur” to learn nigleh before davening. It’s just looked down on because it’s preferred to spend the time before davening learning chassidus as a hachana to thinking about Hashem.

But it is probably just a matter of you showing you age again.

Easy answer.

Then when he came up with the system the first siyum “just happened” to fall on 11 Nissan, his birthday. What a coincidence for someone who never pushed himself to the forefront.

Again, anyone who knows about the Rebbe knows how little he held of himself.

BTW, I wonder why this didn’t disturb the many gedolim and rebbes who supported the Rambam cycle, and joined in the siyum celebrations.