Reply To: Daas Torah in gemora

ubi > maybe I’m not sure what daas Torah is, suggesting a shiduch is daas Torah?

I’ll leave a precise definition to the DT proponents, don’t want to mess that up.
here r Yohanan is the godol hador and he tells you this is a good shidduch, would you not listen?! and to add to that – his own daughter …

And – AAQ adds – R Yohanan modestly talks about his beauty and sits near mikva, and Resh Lakish agreed too re: R Yohana and his sister – so chances are that the daughter was also not ugly.

but all that would be just a deduction, but listen to R Yohana himself: Zeiri carries him over a puddle, proving how much he respects RY as a teacher – and RY says: so my Torah is dear to you, but not my daughter? So, a direct appeal here that Zeiri’s learning should make him agree. Commentaries wax poetic about student as a son, spiritual v. physical yerusha, but I don’t see yet direct answer. I see that RY is not rav muvhak (Zeiri probably learned in Bavel before going to Mitzraim and then EY). Do you see anything relevant?

Even more ironic is the apparent reason Zeiri refuses – yichus in EY is not good enough for this Bavlian. He does not say so, but RY and Gemora presume it. Is he hinting that gedol hador is sofek mamzer or eved or something like that?! hard to understand.