@hakatan
Even if [this is debatable] the creation of the medina was against the torah, the EXISTENCE of the medina is not. [lehol hadeyot]”
That makes no sense and is also a lie. It’s actually the opposite. LiChol haDeios, the State remains just as forbidden to have as it was to create it. But since it exists, there is a need to “deal” with it like one would with any type of thugs.
The Steipler rules that way, in karyana diIgrasa, for example.
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You are losing your heskat ne’emanut here.
Steipler writes CLEARLY that the issur was only in the establishment , not in its existence.
Please don’t misquote sfarim to jibe your narrative.