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Square, miracles don’t prove things. Torah is laav bashonayim – we do not change our Torah because of them. Chumash itself warns us of false neviim performing miracles – it wouldn’t matter if it were written in the sky for us to break a halacha, we wouldn’t do it. Because halacha does not change based on anything, even a bas kol.

Also, that the land became fruitful is a metzius; when Jews are on it, for better or worse, it blossoms. It’s how eretz yisroel works. No different than two people trying to open a fingerprint scanner, with one having the coded fingerprint and the other not.

Maybe the fruits are a sign that the geulah is imminent – the gedolim have been saying that moshiach is coming soon since the chofetz chaim, and rav elchonon, his talmid, wrote an entire sefer about how we’re the last step,the ikvesa demeshicha – and he called zionism avodah zara in clear language.

So just as the fire coming down from shomayim on the side of baal should not make us change religions, i will not accept nationalism as it is avoda zara. Rav Nachman of Breslov and many other chassidishe rebbes write how before moshiach comes, the nisayon of emunah will be almost unbearable, there will be signs that the sitra achra is correct…only those with pure emunah will emerge unscathed. They give the fire of har Carmel as an example of what will happen – we will be tested. Will we follow Hashem or the baal? Will we go by our senses or our emunah and our purified Torah thinking?

It’s also interesting how communities which minimize nissim and believe in “rationalism,” castigating Torah jews as backwards, and denying things like golems or stories of mofsim performed by tzadikim, are happy to accept nissim performed for a mixed gender army of mechalelei shabbos.

Because it suits their purpose.

The Torah world looks to nissim to strengthen our existing mesorah.

The Nationalist world looks for nissim to PROVE their new avodah zara.

It’s a huge nisayon. Fight it.