Smerel, my mistake, lorencz was talking about the war of independence. The US gave Israel a 50/50 shot at winning at the time. It wasn’t as clear cut as the 6 day war.
Re, ponevezher rov – if he said it was a neis, then why would the state department say that Israel would do it in 6 days? The satmar rov said “if the 6 day war was a neis, Johnson was a navi”
We’re talking about a question of metzius, not necessarily daas Torah; the ponevezher rov was lightyears ahead of my pay grade, but i believe the evidence to be incontrovertible….just like how there were mistaken views on how electricity worked in the later achronim.
The brisker rov said there were yeshuos and that they were done for the frumer yidden, and that we need to thank Hashem for it. That doesn’t mean that when zionists point to miracles, real or otherwise, that it shows that “god is on our side,” because He isn’t on the side of rotzchim poshim apikorsim(like the song goes)
The existence of Israel isn’t a constant miracle or a lasting one. It’s bederech hateva that a country which drafts its citizens and has a yiddishe kop economy will prosper in a place where illiterate village dwellers failed, aside from what chazal say about eretz yisroel working when yidden farm there.