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It’s great that you looked up the Gemara I mentioned.
So you quote the Gemara exactly in backwards order in other to create a Machlokes and a fake Hachraa. The Gemara first mentions Rebbi Yochanan, and then the Braysa of Rebbi Yosi, and after that another Braysa of Rebbi Akiva.
Rashi writes
נתנה התורה ממשלה בה – כלומר אפילו תראה אותו נביא מושל ועושה כרצונו דכתיב ונתן אליך אות או מופת
So he explained Rebbi Yosi’s words as the Torah agreeing to the mindset of the viewer that believes it to be a מופת בשמים.
Notice. Rebbi Yosi does not say נתן הקב”ה ממשלה. He says נתנה התורה, in other words, he is not speaking of actual power being given, but rather a seeming admission of power was given to them by the fact that Total mentions their activities as a matter of fact.
You decided to bring a proof straight from the Pasuk that it actually can happen, and no one says yhat in this Sugya, but we have Rebbi Akiva saying explicitly that it cannot happen and that the Pasuk can’t Even be discussing it, while the others don’t reinterprate the Pasuk.
I don’t think they taught you in Yeshiva to quote s Gemara backwards. They might have taught you to look around, for example Avoda Zara 55 and try to quote that as proof.
One thing you certainly learned not to do is to Darshen your own Pesukim.
And then you be Megaleh Torah Shelo Kehalachah and twist Rebbi Akiva’s words like that. What is that if not agenda driven interpretation? You’re gonna say that Rebbe Akiva “didn’t say it was impossible, rather “chas veshalom””, while he literally reinterprated the Pasuk because of it? So Rebbe Shimon also held that yhe Torah will be forgotten because he said חס ושלום שתשתכח?
Next step is calling me almost MO, then zionism, neo chabad and modern orthodoxy/haskala/”rationalism”, and then, of course, you complain about all hominem attacks.