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I’ve been busy the past few days – just wanted to note that nowhere does the Satmar Rav say that the soton has any independent power, chas veshalom. He brings many examples of maysoh soton, such as the image of Moshe dying on har sinai, which is in medrash rabbah, as times when the soton was tasked with making signs to test klal yisroel.
The state is no different; its success, the satmar rov says, is a test for our emunah – will we use it as a proof that something against the Torah (a secular state calling itself Jewish with apikorsus definitions of a jew, non Torah law being practiced, pride parades, mixed army, etc…) is good and that we should celebrate it, and think that it represents us as Jews, or will we see that such things are a test….בפרוח רשעים כמו עשו, when the wicked prosper…. that’s already in pesukim.
Others say that the state’s success was because of the frum people there. The chazon ish said after the Holocaust there was a tremendous ais ratzon, and if the yidden wanted moshiach, he would have come… instead they wanted the state, so they got it in ways that require siyata dishmaya. But that doesn’t make it a good thing.
Tha main difference between satmar and the majority was how distant we ought to be from the government; can we ignore our obligation to defend not only our rights but influence people, especially sefardim, who we might lose to the zionists if we don’t join the government? Satmar says what can we do? We are anusim mipnei hadin. Agudah says the din is that we can, and that such a thing isn’t hischabrus.
No malaach, weak or strong, does anything besides what Hashem tells is to do; that’s its nature.