Avira
You provide another great example of what I mentioned in my first comment
“The problem with these discussions is everyone has their preconceived notions and cherry picks Pieces mamarei chazal to fit .”
you recently said “Smerel – that was AFTER the gezerah min hashomayim was batul and they were given permission to fight. If such a thing had happened during the Holocaust – great, but it didn’t”
Yet In one of your earliest posts in this thread YOU said “Chazal learned the parsha of Yaakov and eisav before meeting with the Roman rulers, to learn and remind themselves of the yesodos, the ways one must behave in galus to be safe.”
Of course Yaakov prepared for milchama, yet you cherry pick and deny milchama as an option
not to mention the idea of milchama is of course brought halacha lemaseh in Orach Chaim 329:6
You have your preconceived notion which doesnt have to fit with halacha nor mamarei chazal that YOUI cited
It makes these conversations pointless, though fascinating
T