Reply To: Clarification to mod and DaMoshe

Arso,
“Right. And in Europe someone who wasn’t tzniusdik didn’t even want to send their kids to cheder. So he wasn’t talking about those types of families. He was talking about families that weren’t on a level of the “upper families”.”

He didn’t say that this idea was only relevant to “certain not 💯 families.”

But to your point, the Rambam writes not to put people who swear by Hashem’s Name in public nidui (when that was in use), because you’ll end up with no community.

Similarly, throughout history, when communal standards fell in a certain area, even very important areas such as sota and murderers, the response was Sanhedrin shutting down, not executing however many Jews were unfortunately involved. Same with the Rambam I just mentioned.

In todays day and age, if someone is lacking in a certain area, it is due to the world we live in, whether ignorance/ widespread exposure etc. So we work to uphold standards in positive ways, but this idea of shutting out any but all who look externally perfect- where is that in Yiddishkeit?

And why is a lady who isn’t dressed tznius the biggest no no, but a man who dresses perfectly chassidish (notlubavitch) is forgiven for watching all the things he does on his devices, and is known he does, because at least he dresses the part? So alls good and his kids can join the school. But dressed imperfectly? Forget it!

Please explain that one too