@avira
@Arso
Just as a reminder , before you debate the habad apologists, please keep in mind the following :
the leader of the habad hasidim gave explicit instructions to his followers. whenever you engage in debate with people of a different persuasion , you must do so with the condition that you [the follower] in your own mind give NO CREDENCE WHATSOEVER EVEN TO THE POSSIBILITY that he might have something to tell you that you previously did not know.
That is their starting point.
When their rebbi famously told them to phiphe on the world , it was meant to phiphe on your arguments . By the mere fact that those arguments are against habad, that ITSELF is the biggest possible refutation . All other refutations they might come up with ,are simply batel umevutal [kom lei mideraba minei] and pale in comparison .
That explains [to me] this astonishing phenomenon of having a rational conversation with [supposedly] rational people , and there we keep on going round and round , and ,after all rationality , they seem totally oblivious to it .
I don’t know about you , but this kept on baffling me again and again.
They sound and seem rational and open , but on the other side seem immunized against rationality.
I must concede – their rebbi did a good job.
He transformed them exactly in to what he wanted them to be.
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