Reply To: Clarification to mod and DaMoshe

Avira,

“CS – no hilchos tznius in the “classic seforim”? See the sources brought in mishnah berurah 75 s”k2, and all of the sources brought in halichos bas yisroel. It’s literally all over the place.

It’s dealt with mainly regarding ervah l’inyan krias shma and talmud Torah. That’s where the poskim discuss which parts of the body must be covered and give the details you were taught. Elbows, knees, collarbone, etc..

That’s why thw sefer halichos bas yisroel was very important, because he compiled the poskim who discussed the details of tznius, but they were everywhere and needed little chidushim.”

That’s my point. Tznius is not its own Mitzvah doyraisa, as lashon hara is, and there is no classic source of hilchos tznius- even in kitzur shulchan aruch- where a man and woman can open up and read about what’s das Moshe, Das yehudis, and Minhag Hamakom etc with regards to tznius. Of course it’s part of Yiddishkeit and there are scattered references (mainly in regards to what defines erva for a man, not directly addressing women’s dress).

“Regarding lashon hora, i am referring to details. What is the definition? What are the tenoim for toeles? When can one believe LH and when can you only be concerned about it? These aee things not discussed at all in the rishonim, st least not directly. The chofetz chaim labored greatly to learn this sugya and come to conclusions in halacha.”

Yes- all the credit to him. I did find a section on forbidden speech in Rambam, and there’s probably sections dedicated in Gemara to forbidden speech. That was my point here.

“In tznius, there was no such need for the author of halichos bas yisroel to do that. Read the sefer, even though it was not written by a Lubavitcher..it won’t hurt your worldviiew.”

I’ve heard of Halichos Bas Yisrael. Lubavitch has Kvuda Bas Melech by Rabbi Moshe Weiner, as well as other hashkofa books- such as The Rebbe on Modesty.

I also own oz vhadar lvusha by Rabbi Falk z”l. Funny thing is, I wanted to look up sources. He doesn’t give sources and says he’ll list them separately. I don’t know if there is a book of sources. But just to my point- it wasn’t easy for him either to find sources- they’re not mainly in one place