@HaKatan
Forgive me for saying this but you have revisionist history. you take the classic millennial approach similar lehvadil to the free Palestine folks who know noting but whats feed to them at the moment. Today its very in style be Satmar or Brisk. But the truth is that 75 years ago those were extreme right positions and not mainstream of klal yisroel . They were huge gedolim and holy jews. I will not knock these tzadkim in any manner. But there were the “das Yachid”. Even the way you knock my views as “zioniat propoganda ” as if I am a tzioni when i am not and have never followed them is just kind of bniave 2024 talk without studying the facts. Yes sure you have R Elchanon too, but thats about it.
Let get the chafetz chaim and the fake news and lies that you repeat over form brisk without verifying. The FACT is that in 1923 at the aguda convention the Chafetz chaim walked out as a protest because someone came to bashmutz R kook. He refused to go back in for the rest of the convention despite schlepping there as an older man already. Every older yeruhslami knows that the Chafetz chaim tried to come to EY. One of his big goals was to visit R kook and make peace between him and R Sonnefled z’l. Its well known that the kanoim say its beshert that he didn’t make it because if the C chaim made it to EY there would be no kanoim left. The mekublaim said that had the C chaim came he would have made shalom and moshiach would have come. R Kook, shver, the aderes helped the Chaim write his sefer about yidden drafted in the army. After the aderes was niter the C chaim asked R kook to help him. So don’t sell me buba masses about the C chaim and R kook. These are facts.
(Side note, an older yershlaumi yid told me that at his fathers chasna both R kook and R yosef chaim sat together and were shmuzing. This is despite his alleged cherem. I don;t think he is lying about his own fathers wedding)
Re R Kook and a “war”, not a single war in Israel was made by choice., You make it sound like oh we went out to capture. Every war Israel ever fought was forced upon us. Anyone would permit that.
Let me also say that many mnay gedolim held of a state whether its Rizyhner rebas, R ytizchok elchnanon, the dvar avraham and even later on people like the rav of yeshulaim who wrote a famous sefer (forgot his name now). R hsraga feivel medleovitch made a bracha when the medina was founded. Punvitcha Rav said hallel with an israeli flag. At the punivitch chanukas hbayis in 1953, all zionist leaders were invited and one even spoke. Many mnay gedollim were preseent too. I can list so many more gedolim who held of a state. But thats beside the point. tTe overwhelming majority held once its here, we need need to support it and that the good outweighs the bad.
Re the 3 shavous, again stamar and Brisk were a das yachid. When he took on the R Hirsch zl shita of shalosh shavous it was a huge chiddish. There are many ways to answer that such as that its agaddata, its only when goyim keep it too etc. (Its also funny that in the USA Stamar isn’t scared to take land from the state of NY. But OK.)
Re Todays zionists, again you have no clue what kind of rasha Ben Gurion was, looking to kidnap jewish kids just to shmad them. He hated anyone frum. Today the fight is simply that frum people fight and share the burden. Yes its a fair arguemnt to say that we learn torah and that we can’t share a burden with secular people. But lets not get carried away and call that shmad.