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Chaim87
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The Satmar Reba z’l was very holy and his shita is definitely highly respected. However, he was a das yachid and extreme. One almost wonders if he said many things simply so that the masses don’t get caught up with the fervor of the moment. In those days, unlike today it was very in style even among charedim to become or support zionism, He had to hammer in the point how bad it is and how we must disconnect. In reality its alot more muted. In reality in many ways its a bracha for all jews.

Most other gedolim did not hold like the Satmar reba.

Re 1948, I never heard that the zionists had a choice not to fight. That’s revisionist history. Once they UN passed a resolution we were attacked. Perhaps you want to argue that who asked the tzionim to push that resolution? That’s easy for you to say now in 2024. In 1947 noone wanted the jews even after the holocuast including the USA. Europe was becoming communist and closing the iron curtain. What was our choices?

Re 1967: Yes technically Israel attacked first. But everyone in their right mind knew Israel was on the brink. Had they not attacked first 5 countries would have attacked us. Yes the fight started over the Suez canal and the satmar reba said who asked Israel to pick a fight over a water channel. But cmon without that cannel Israel can’t function. And it would have just pushed Egypt to do more The reba says the success of the 6 day war was masa soton. But almost every other gadol said it was nissim.

As the tzadik R wolfson shlita says, in 1948 it was an eis ratzzon for moshaich. Instead hashem gave us some broken shards (shiveri kelim) to hold onto after all the tzaras we went through in the form of a state of Israel.

Its easy to be a hothead in 2024 but before you are a big talker research your facts and imagine you lived then