Arso, Don’t fardey me a kup. I am
Arso, now I see how you could agree with Shmei.
1. So first of all, on the other thread you and lostspark started quoting the Ohr Hachayim from וישק לו and onward which is not commenting on that posuk being the source of the Gemorah. The Ohr Hachayim commented on the posuk being the source of the Gemorah in the previous comment ויכל יעקב which you didn’t quote . Now, the Ohr Hachaim is NOT commenting on the Gemorah. He is commenting that this posuk in the parshah is the source of the Gemorah. This commentary as well as the next, is as I have said earlier, is talking of the time he expired where the posuk does not say mes. Here is where the Ohr Hachayim says that this is the source of the Gemorah.
Yaacov mes appears later in the parshah not at the time he expired. The Ohr Hachaim is commenting on the time he expired which at that time death has not taken possession of him. Nowhere does the Ohr Hachaim write that Yaacov’s guf is alive forever. We are talking about the time he expired. In fact, in his commentary after וישק לו the Ohr Hachayim is saying since Yaacov’s guf didn’t become putrid he embalmed his father so that the Egyptians shouldn’t say that he didn’t die.
ויכל יעקב לצוות וגו’. הא למדת שלא על יעקב נאמר (קהלת ח’) ואין שלטון ביום המות שהיה הדבר ברצונו וברשותו עד שכלה לצוות לבניו כרצונו ואז ויאסוף רגליו וגו’ והוא מאמר רז”ל (תענית ה:) יעקב אבינו לא מת, שאילו שלט בו המות לא היתה לו שליטה עד עת יחפוץ לאסוף רגליו, וצא ולמד מה שאמרו ז”ל בפי’ פסוק (קהלת פ”ח) ואין שלטון שאין מי שיתלה אונקלומא וכו’:
ויכל יעקב לצוות, Jacob finished commanding his sons, etc. This verse teaches that Jacob was an exception to the rule proclaimed by Solomon in Kohelet 8,8 that on the day someone dies he is no longer master over his spirit. Jacob was in full control of all his senses when he made all these arrangements. Only after having concluded all he wanted to say, ויאסוף דגליו, he gathered his feet into the bed, etc. Here is the source of the statement in Taanit 5 that “our father Jacob did not die.” If death had taken possession of him, he would not have retained control long enough to be able to put his feet back into his bed. Midrash on Kohelet 8,8 explains that on the day of death a man cannot say to the angel of death: “wait for me until I have concluded my business and then I will come.”
2. The Ramban bought what Rashi is saying but is not commenting on what Rashi is saying whatsoever. He wrote his comment which absolutely does not say anything about Yaacov’s guf being alive forever. You are simply cooking up a whole cholent on the Ramban’s words. His commentary on HIS conclusion is very clear.
You wrote: “Gee! Keep away from these discussions because you are just proudly showing off your ignorance”. I’ll say what i think and you can think what you want.