SQUARE_ROOT:
Why don’t you just hang out on “Religious Zionist” websites rather than polluting this one with more “Religious Zionist” nonsense that is heretical and idolatrous?
Aviner’s “answers” (and the rest) should embarrass any “Religious Zionist”.
1. Obviously, the only oath that would not apply with the nations’ permission, if true, is the oath about rebelling against the nations. That permission has zero to do with the other oaths, like aliyah baChoma (ascending en masse) and dechikas haKeitz, taking political rule like the Zionists did. The Balfour Declaration was essentially rescinded, or at least greatly curtailed, by the “White Papers” that followed. Moreover, the reality is that the Zionists terrorized and fought both the British and the Arabs and also then founded their “State” against the express will of the UN. So, the Zionists clearly violated that oath, too.
2. This “answer” is even bigger nonsense, only promoted by Zionists like Rabbi Dr. Soloveitchik, Rabbi Kook and Rav Teichtal. But there is no source for their emotional inventions, and (of course) there is no gadol who agreed to their respective nonsense inventions.
3. The Satmar Rav addresses this one, too. It means when it gives its fruits in a supernatural way.
4. Ditto. The oaths are for our benefit, not mutual. He brings numerous examples. The Rambam told the Teimanim then that the oaths are in force despite the terrible oppression they were under. And even if it were mutual, which no gadol approves, that would apply only to the oath of “rebelling”, not the other oaths, like aliya baChoma and dechikas haKeitz. The Zionists flagrantly violated all the Oaths, of course.
5. This is nonsense.
6. Interesting how, as brought in today’s daf, the midrash notes that shevet Efraim who left Egypt early were slaughtered in the desert because they violated the oaths by leaving Egypt early. And there were many other examples of non-Babylonians who were punished for violating the oaths, including a Zionist favorite: Ben Koziva, which caused the spilling of oceans of Jewish blood, far more than even the Holocaust.
7. The Satmar Rav addresses this, too. That was not about these Oaths.
8. There are at least three oaths. Whichever oath you claim applies to only the Temple, obviously has zero to do with the other oaths.
9. The gemara actually uses the oaths as halacha, and the poskim bring it down on the spot, as the Satmar Rav points out.
10. This is a popular Zionist meme. First of all, you have zero source for that assertion. Regardless, aggada clearly shows us what G-d wants, even if it’s written in a deep way. As well, please see #9 and the other points, too.
Based on all this nonsense, “Religious Zionists” violate the oaths which has unimaginably severe punishments associated with those violations.
PS. That’s totally irrelevant. Individual Jews can choose to live in Eretz Yisrael and, if that Mitzva is in fact still available, then they will fulfill that. But that’s for individuals.
So please don’t waste time with “Religious Zionist” nonsense.
Regarding your personal comment, you have zero basis to even think you could argue with a gadol like the Satmar Rav. To try to help you understand, though, I would humbly submit that although Rav Miller points out that there was indeed assimilation and chilul Shabbos in pre-war Europe, Zionism (which started in the late 1800s) was one of the main reasons for that, as Zionism is all about changing Jews and Judaism into godless Nationalists and Zionism. So, if one believed in Zionism, then, in addition to worshiping idols, by definition they did not believe in the Torah. If you didn’t believe in the Torah, then nothing would stop them from doing anything against the Torah, including intermarriage and violating Shabbos. Until Hashem decided to save His people from being lost.
As well, you’re arguing against basic facts. “Ani mattis es besarchem” is the punishment listed for violating the oaths. That’s obviously what happened in the Holocaust. It was literally open season on Jews like never in history.
So please revert to actual Judaism rather than “Religious Zionism” and all its nonsense and heresy and idolatry.