YYA – Thanks for your answer.
I am referring only to Rav Kook indeed because of his Frumkeit, as I feel the other RZ rabbis aren’t so confusing to us.
I do want to bring out that there is a difference of “settling the land” as the settlers in Petach Tikva, without any thought of a “state”, as you said, and RZ’s
desire for a state. So there’s one thing about settling for “living the land” and a totally different thing of doing so for/under a state.
AAQ – The question is if you can compare JEWS trying to manipulate and convince, to JEWS FORCING by starving, cutting payos, taking away kippahs, and much more. We’re of course not talking of non-Jews here.