@RightJew, @squareroot, @wojwoj, and any other misinformed or worse commentor, to you I say GOOD MORNING!!
this recycled twisted zionist spam FOLDER OF MADE UP NONSENSE is known to anyone who’s ever given more than 5 mins of their life to the subject of zionism.
bit by bit:
1) The Rav Chaim Vital you quote is clearly and simply answered by the Satmar Rav Ztzk”l in Vayoel Moshe in the mid kuf simanim from what I remember, in which he clearly proves that Rav Chaim Vital actually says the exact opposite, quoting him word by word verbatim, (unlike this mythical idea’s source, which is a early generation zionist mizrachi or worse rabbi who was completely ignored, until some yeshiva bachur “looking for the truth” found his junk and decided it was the truth ch”v).
2) Interesting thing is, in your opening article for this “dialogue” you quote nothing but zionist jargon (that includes old time zionist misinterpretations), sometimes quoting long disproven distortions from people who never dared to state the things these sources unashamedly state.
3) One of the biggest lies, is that the Issur of Aliyah Bechoma was not violated. Anyone who knows the first thing about zionist history will know about the lechi and the like, all of whom engaged in terror no different than Hamas and other terrosrist organisations (they just didn’t have the kind of funding and help that these savages do, but they still murdered jews and non jews alike). And if you tell me that there was no government at the time (when there was there was the Bitish mandate which constitutes as the running government UNTIL etc), well nowhere will you find the idea that this issur is only against a controlling force in the makeup of a government etc. coming en-masse to overtake a land, EVEN IF IT WAS UNINHABITED, is still assur, as the issur is on the jews to do the act not for it top happen to someone. Aliyah Bechoma beens gowing up in large numbers/armed depending on the pshat understod (most hold that both are halacha).
4) The debate regarding the halachiq status of agadtah IN OF ITSELF is both irrelevant and wrong to be “DECIDED” (not discussed rather decided) on this platform, as 1. it is for Rabbanim, Dayanim and Poskim to dictate the halachaq status of a whole contingent of the Torah, and 2. because whe agadtah’s that some like to use to twist to fit their zionist idealogies, suddenly they remember agadta’s halachiq status…. hhhmmm….
5) All the above besides the fact that up until the 18-hundreds, it was wholly and unequivocally accepted as halacha, throughout history up until the zionist bandits turned up. Why then was it not discussed as much as other topics in halacha? because of the above, because it was so simple and basic in everyones mind that it was assur and that’s it, is the reason why it wasn’t discussed that much, proof? Because where it was discussed it is very clear that it is assur including the ones that are “quoted” by zionists in their misinterpritations, like the Rav Chaim Vital we mentioned above, which people quote as to say that Rav Chaim Vital “says” that the oaths are only kayam for 1000 years (ch”v), which is complete utter rubbish, open the Rav Chaim Vital you are quoting and read what he says before you quote zionist newspaper junk.
6) Besides all of this, even if you want to say that the sky’s pink and not blue, one thing you can’t ignore is that the punishment that the gemara states for being over on the oaths has unfortunately occurred, more than once, even I’d say…
7) The lies go on and on, and simply because there is no limit to sheker because it is a thing which can be made up again and again I don’t answer everything here, but if anyone has got sincere questions or queries I’d be more than happy to help[, but let’s just remember that this isn’t a kollel, just the coffee room……