Earlier in my postings, I refused to address “joseph” because he called the medinah a nmae that only our enemies call it. Well, I’ll have to bend my rules a bit, otherwise it might be construed as ‘shetikah kehodoah” if I don’t answer his postings.Reb yid,your first paragraph (mass murder by the zionists during the holocaust)is so intemperate that I am tempted to revert to my earlier promise, but I’ll wait a bit.Your total obsession with the “genocidal zionists” (my characterization of your words)and poor Kastner borders on the pathological. Friend, get yourself to a doctor. No one has the full truth in that and most of what you read is an attempt at “whitewashing” one’s own shortcomings in the war. There was enough blame to go around for everyone, and sadly that includes our own Rabbonim, the leaders of American Jewry (mainly reform), FDR, even some of those “evil zionists”.No one came out of this catastrophic era in our history blameless. Some individuals did better than others (Rav Kalmanowicz comes to mind)and there were some real heroes , like the Japanese consul in Vilna (I think) who gave out thousands of visas, Wallenberg, of course, and many many individuals, both Yidden and gentiles, who saved some “seridim” form the all-consuming fire.The true “genocidal murderers” were the Nazis jemach shemom and the blame lies 99% with them. NO, one hundred percent, because they were the brutal criminals who murdered six million of our brothers and sisters and caused the world to go up in flames.So, dear friend, spare us your obsessive comments about the evil zionists and kastner. They serve no purpose except making you feel good. It will not change history one bit and only our G-d in heaven knows the truth.The other “cause’ you have espoused is that the “medinah” is illegitimate, “treif” and that everyone agrees with you.Sorry to say, but very few people agree with you. By the way, you say that satmar agrees with the ‘settling” of Eretz Ysroel. Check “Vajoel Moshe”, the Satmarer Rov zz’l did not agree with this statement but I digress.
To say that the Zaddikim of previous doros, or today, did not desire taking control from the Ottomans, the British (your words)flies in the face of reality. What do you think all the rebbes and roshei yeshiva today are doing? They vote, they participate in governmemnt, they pay and take taxes, they build in Judea and Samaria…Do you sincerely believe FOR ONE SOLITARY MOMENT that they wish they would be better off under Ottoman (arab) rule? Or even Britsh rule? What do you think the zaddik of jerushulaim, R’aryeh levin zz’l, was doing visiting the prisoners? agreeing to british rule??
One must be blind,,deaf and illiterate to think that all the leaders of Orthodox Jewry in Israel think we would be better off under a different rule.This is a fantasy and all you have to do is to be in Geulah for one Friday afternoon to see that the chareidim thrive under that so-called zionist rule as never before.
It is not a perfect world anywhere and there is still a lot to do in Eretz ysroel but to deny that ,boruch hashem, we are thriving in our own homeland as never before is to be totally blind to reality. And yes, if this is what you think, there is nothing I or the facts on the ground can do to open your eyes.
As far as the Gedolim of past years and their opinions. It all started with wanting to go back to eretz yisroel and indeed this was the catalyst. You cannot bring any “rayos” from the nineteenth century about independence because the big empires of the day were still in existence. If you know a bit of history , you will know that it took over 150 years for the many nations of the world to become independent. The British,Austrian, Russian, French, Ottoman empires (and other colonial states) lasted well into the twentieth century. Clearly, in due time, Eretz Ysroel would have become independent. The question was, would it be OURS or ,chas vesholom, under arab rule?
I think that Hakodesh boruch huh guided us in the right direction.