Joseph and notpashut are engaged in the proverbial three monte game…..trying to obfuscate the issue and trying to distract the gullible reader from the question at hand.
Joseph clearly stated (look it up)that Rav Hutner zz’l “could not tolerate any Jewish sovereignity over Eretz Yisroel in the Middle east pre-moshiach”. There is not a scintilla of evidence that Rav Hutner held that view. Joseph borught down a long article on the holocaust and Rav Hutner’s views on that. Totally irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
But then, when you are totally blinded by your own obuseness, facts don’t mean much. Or, worse, you twist facts to suit yoru own prejudices, a la Izik.
And, in case you want to look it up, al lthe wonderfu lquotations that Joseph brigns down come straight from the website of ‘neturei karta” ( look it up)
Somehow, I doubt whether many of our yidden want to be associated with a group of peole who lend their miserable hand to Iran and Arabs, who are our mortal enemies.
notpashut- there you go again…..quoting thousands of tapes on …what? that the chareidi olam was not happy with the leaders of the medinah? what a big surprise….so are many hundrds of thousands of jews who live in Eretz Yisroe and regularly vote for other parties…this is a very, very ,very long cry from asserting that there should be no Jewish sovereignity in Eretz Yisroel…..
As I have said many times, you all have a right to your opinions….and I and others have a right to our opinions. You cannot make your opinions as fact. Time will surely tell who is right.
I must ,however, reserve my utter disgust for itzik. The scenario he depicts is a second Holocaust and a third churban. Enough said.