I studied for 4 years in a Haredei Mesivta (Ner Israel) many years ago, but I can not recall such intensive hatred for the Medina that I hear coming from Joseph, notpashut and now Itzik_s. Gentlemen, study the Gemara in Gittin that is studied on Tisha B’av. There is a huge difference between Jewish sinners and the evil of non-Jewish despots.
Those who have a much more positive view of the State also have Torah leaders to rely upon. However, these Torah leaders are considered as naught in the eyes of the right wing hardliners.
In this coffee room, the moderates always show a generally higher level of Torah scholarship than the hardliners. Knowing what is Biblical, what is Rabbinic or just a custom counts. Being able to quote from the Neturei Karta web site (probably partially underwritten by Iran) does not.