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1. It is not entirely clear that they can’t change their netiyos. Organizations like JONAH help such people.Goyishe versions of what is known as reparative therapy exist too. Apparently they are affective.

2. Would you also say that someone with pedophilic urges can’t change who he is and just accept it, or would you tell him to go for therapy and get his act together? For these urges, everyone agrees that they have no right to “accept” it, and they should go for therapy. So the only difference is degree

Jothar,

The fcts are is that they ( homosexuals and pedophiles ) cannot change. Unfortunately, many men ( including frum men ) who marry continue their other activities, putting their spouses at risk to diseases. With regard to pedophiles, a priest, who recently passed away, was assigned by the church to establish a center to treat priests who were either addicts, alcoholics or pedophiles. Afetr 3 years , he rported that while alcoholics could get clean and stay clean, he recommended that the only effective treatment for pedophiles was to put them on a deserted island for life; they could not b rehabilitated. The discovery of this report 10 year ago is the reason why the church could not avoid large settlements by claiming they were unaware of the problem.