Reply To: R’ Shloimele Z”L

just a note to think big….as you can see, my question has engendered a serious discussion about the way to proceed in kiruv rechokim. that was exactly my intention in raising the question.

On to the other postings…to joseph. Actually, if you check your halacaha, you will see that there are many things we are mechallel shabbos for if required. (pydyon shevuim, for example, certainly saving one’s life) )Hence your question is just plainly the result of , I’ll say it kindly, forgertfulness. And so, if one feels that ,for saving a neshomo, negiah is required, so be it. OK, some of you will write that it may be “avizrayhu de-aroyos”. we’ll deal wit this if asked.

feif un, I wish you would meet one his talmidim first before writing what you did. There is not a scintilla of evidence that “other rabbonim’ taught them anything afterwards. Please do check with the carlebach oilam before stating anything on them.

As far as R’Moshe zz’l. Did you ever see his teshuva? well, I have (there are two of them, I think).He RESPONDS to a question about shlomo’s music,without mentioning his name,by the way, although the people knew who was meant by it. (The questioner is a well known Rov today and I will not mention his name)On that question, R’Moshe answers that it is fully permitted to sing the songs. Unlike cholov stam where there is, of course a good reason to be machmir, there is absolutely no reason to be machmir about shlomo’s songs as there is not a scintilla of reason why not to sing his songs.

As far as enjoying his songs or not, this is purely subjective. I think they are great and tremendously spiritual. And as far as emulating him, we just commemorated tisha be-av for the churban habayis…and do you know why the bays was destroyed ? “Sinaas chinom”. so I think that the mitzvah of ahavas yisroel should be uppermost in our minds !

to cantoresq…I do not understand your question about mimkomcho at all.Is there any specific nussach that is immutable on that part of kedusha? I have heard countless of different variations on mimkomchu..

As far as nussach in general, pray tell, which nussach are you talking about? the Chassidische nussach? the maharil’s? Maybe Levandowsky? Or maybe the yemenite one? there are as many nussachs as there are Jewish people and thank G-d for them. Sure, there is a traditional nussach on many of the tefillos but so what? Shlomo zz’l initiated a new nussach, specifically for kabbolas shabbos, and half the world sings it now. I am sorry that you don’t like his songs and music but this is a far cry from saying that “his progeny destroyed the traditional music of prayer”. PLEEZE!!!