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cantoresq
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To cantoresq, I am showing my ignorance here in telling you that I do not know what the Ahava Rabbah nussach is. At least not by that name.You are,obviously, very knowledgeable in nussach and its components, a lot more than me, I fully admit. However, for you, to say that the nussach goes back to the Maharil and “even further back to Temple times”. How do you know that? There is about 1300 years between the maharil and the Churban habayis. Are you so sure that the nussach comes down from then? I am not sure at all, especially in view that the all Sefardim have very different nussach.(I am not a student of music history but to say that the Yemenite nussach resembles the Ashkenazi one defies my own listening, for one) I also think you are wrong in stating that shlomele z’l did not have a nussach. His kabbolos shaboos is clearly a nusssach.

And your last comment brought a smile to my face. Is cantoresq here the same cantoresq who has been excoriating all of those who believe the many “urban Jewish stories” ?(see other postings). “Off a muhl” -suddenly- you believe a story of six hudnred years ago! WOW !! You have joined the gullibel ones !

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The Ahava Rabbah is the Ukranian Doric minor. It’s the nussch for Shabbos Shachris. It’s also identical to the sephardic Makam Hijaz, to elucidate my statement about the similarities between Ashkenaz an Sephardic nussach. The two sound differenc due to pronounciation, and because, as I understadn it, Sephrdic nussach is more formally developed and more rarified. As to how we know that nussach goes abck to the Temple times, wel we have records of ancient Greek music from that era and we can see it’s similarity to trope. I’ve stated before that SC generally adhered to the klalei hanussach. It is his students who abandoned it ni favor of his folk melodies. Also, why would I question the Maharil’s beliefs about his daughter’s death. I don’t know that she actually died because he daperted from the nussach. But based on the passige in Hilchot Yom Kippur in the Sefer Haminhagim, I know he believed that to be true.