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intelligent, please bring a mekor for not being able to wear bright colors? i can bring mekorim that bright colors were worn all the time throughout jewish history, especcially those in the davidic family, who wore bright royal colors. bright blues and purples, etc. are you saying that they were un tznius? tznius technically changes with the times, otherwise women would get nose rings and not finger rings for engagement, as women used to not wear rings, as it was beged ish, and was not considered proper for a women to wear one. (back then rings were used as signets.) women wore open toe sandals. there is no way you will be able to convince anyone that only jews in teh middle east had shoes hundreds of years before their invention in europe. they either went with leather sandals, or barefoot. hair covering, while my wife does, i definately undersatnd where certain rabbonim feel that it may not be mandatory any longer. remember, hilchos tznius is never brought down until late rishonim, for the simple reason that it is not black and white as you and others suggest. it s changing thing. yes, we dont believe time changes halacha, but here the halacha is that it changes. that is what was built into the halacha. as far as form fitting, that is also arguable as to what is considered too form fitting. you may be disgusted by what my wife wears, and i will think that you look like you are wearing left over clothing from 1984. as long as we dont judge eachother, god will love us all. as long as you dont push your chumros, and that is what they are, on someone else, then we will all get along. noone believes you want to throw up when you see a tight fitted shirt, that is ridiculous. because what the goyim wear should make yuo so sick, you will need to be hospitilized. it bothers you, but tough. you have no right to tell other people what to do. their rov does, and it is his obligation, and his alone, to do that, as he may know more about those people then you. maybe the clothing the women you are seeing is actually teh most that women will go to be tznius. maybe she used to wear more revealing clothing, and this was her compromise for now. how dare you judge! how are you to know the level of that womens yetzer hora, and how she is fighting it day in and day out, and her schar at the end of the day will be far greater then yours, since you clearly have no problem wearing clothing 2 sizes too big. not knocking you, but you are definately not in the norm. i think most women out there are just trying to get by in life, and do the utmost to be tznius. is there room fro growth, of course! but you have no right to mock or denegrate other women for the so called “lack” of tznius. i am sure if i studied your life in one day, i can mock many of the things you do. just stop, and learn to love a fellow jew(ess), and to be dan them lekaf zechus.