chuck schwab, the fight ws with 3 peaple, all who have no clue what they are talking about. they keep saying the exact same thing over and over, so i will too. as for fighting with everyone, these people are fighting with probably a majority of ehrliche yiden. i am trying to be their spokesperson. my wife dresses extremely tzniusdik, but i do see that there are other rabbonim besidse my own who may hold very differently.
i never said tznius is outdated. chas vesholom. itsoutdated like shabbos is outdated, and like kashrus is outdated.
what i did say is, that what tznius means changes. it is well known that when the torah gives vague halachos the reason is that the rabbonim of that time are supposed to figure out what works for their generation. gedarim are set up to protect those mitzvos. nowhere in halacha does it say that elbows must be covered. the bone of the upper arm (forearm) and upper leg (thigh) must be covered. now there is a MACHLOKES wheter this includes the knee and elbow, due to the ball and socet configuration of the bones. this is a fact that is disputable. there is a machlokes, and a rov for his followers may choose which way he wants to lead them.
as far as colors and tightness, too tight is a problem according to all. but here in lies the problem, what is too tight. everyone will have a differant opinion. where you might think its no longer too tight, and is now permissible, a jew in bnei brak might disagree. what the jew in bnei brak thinks is permissible, a 7th generation yerushalmi might think is not tznius.
this again is fact. not fiction like others here may want to believe. just because i wont tow the line that all that are differant are poshei yisroel begufun is stupidity in its utmost degree.
when did judaism becaome about stifling discussion, and shoving ideas down others throats. as long as the person wearing clothing is being given hadrocha by a rov, he is in no differatn shape to the rebono shel olam as you or anyone else. the rotzon hashem is to better oneself, and not to copy others. the rotzon hashem is to get a rov, and have him help you better yourself, not look at yenim and copy what he does, because that just leads to mirroring, and you are the same person inside.
if you disagree with that, then im sorry, but you are the one who is so far out of bounds with judaism, religious or not, and you should take your comments elsewhere. i for one and staying right here, and will comntinue until someone here gets the point that there are rabbonim out there that are just as qualified as theirs who hold things differently. if just one gets the point, ill be happy.