joyous and anonymisss
theres punishing and theres punishing. the example that came up in this thread was eating cookies and the one (I think) I gave is going on a treadmill. not killing yourself but making yourself doing something that you dont want to. depends which one you want less the habit or the punishment. no one wants to actually punish themselves but if someone has exhausted all other options theyre willing to go as far as punishing. 🙂