A600KiloBear,
Your last posts clearly show you do not know what is going on in the system today. Millions of Americans risk death because they can’t get insurance at any price — including a lot of folks who “work for a living”. Furthermore, private insurers have just as big a problem with fraud as do Medicaid and Medicare — they just don’t have the resources of US Attorneys to investigate it, and in most cases it is not a specific federal crime but simply something that would be dealt with under state commercial or insurance statute. Hence when a provider gets caught it doesn’t make the headlines. And you seem to be as disconnected to reality when you rant and rave about government insurance — the HCR bill that passed the Senate creates no new government insurance program.
I think this thread has reached its natural end; there really is no point in arguing over something that isn’t likely to be part of healthcare reform. I’m signing off.