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Bring it on. Let’s here you’re refutations to the proofs I’ve written about

1. Eisav sonei l’Yaakov. In today’s times we see it in the nations’ illogical hatred towards Israel. Why the neverending baseless hatred towards the Jews?

Do you think that Jew hatred is the only illogical long-standing hatred in the world today?

But it doesn’t matter, because even if I grant you that it is, I don’t see how this proves the Torah is divine. All it proves is that a lot of people hate us for a long time.

2. The Torah laws are applicable even in today’s time, approximately 3,000 years after it was given. We’re not talking about two, three laws, we’re talking about tens of laws applicable each day for each Jewish male, less for women per day, but still hundreds of laws dating back to when the Torah was given. Shabbos, dairy/meat, kosher, etc. This is amazing and would never work would the laws be concocted by mere mortals.

Why do you say that? There are several religions that are of the same approximate age as Judaism — and they, too, have rules and regulations about their lives.

But, this too, doesn’t matter. Because even if I grant you that Judaism is the *only* religion to meet this criteria, all it proves is that Jews believe them to be incumbent. It doesn’t even prove that Jews believe them to be divine, let alone that they actually are.

3. Frum communities, while they have their share of social problems have major differences in percentage of crimes than the outside world

So do the Amish.

But again, I don’t see how this “proves” the truth of the Torah. All it proves is that some communities are better behaved than others.

The Wolf