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But molesters usually are married.
Would they be in a non jewish society? Or would they be out in bars trying pick up lines?
>> Hmmm…some yes, some no. I misunderstood. You are saying that the molesters are homosexuals, who have no outlet.
And …well, pressure, has many outlets. Why kids? What does that develop the desire?
Easy targets.
>>And vulnerable. From the mischav zachor perspective, definetly.
And what exactly can we do – oter then sex ed, which most get anyway (one way or another). I mean, pilagshim?
One way or another is not good enough. They have to know they (teens in general, not predators) are normal.
See gemorah I quoted. Also repeal Cherem. Zonos (non jews) are NOT a problem on a D’Oraysah level (except according to the Rambam), and if discussed with a rav, may get heter. Spouses should be more attentive to male “needs”.
>> Hold it, are we talking about heterosexuals or homosexuals? Non-Jews – what – b’tzinah? Many paskin it’s kanaim pogim bo – except the Rambam ( I recently spoke to a Posek about this, I’d prefer not to get into a purely halachic discussion on this particular thread). Rely on him to protect kids? Sound like a slippery slope. But we’re slipping anyway. Cherem? Two wives? One healthy relationship I think is enough for anyone anyway, and a jerk won’t have better luck with two.
Blame it on the wife?
But you are correct in that anything is better and mutar relative to harming a child. Regardless of what the consquences are.
But what a horrible chesbon to have to make. I don’t think that is normal. I think normal people can be happy in normal regular marriages.
What makes a person abnormal that he needs such a heter?
This all sounds to normal; isn’t internet & zonahs the direction frustrated people who can’t control themselves take? Much less risk then kids. Ultimately, nothing bad will happen – legally – if you cheat or go on the internet or to time square. Why risk the decade in prison (and prisoners are known for a certain honor amoung thieves – they torture these people)?
I disagree with you. I don’t think it would help. I think this a perversion that comes from abnormal desires.
I think the problem of regular sexual frustration finds it’s expression in our internet addiction magefa. Which is being discussed on another thread.
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And the answer never is “do nothing”. Your idea of Chemical Castration is not a bad one (if it works), but a person may want to be proactive (at least until they are settled with a spouse). This would also work for the Mishkav Zochors. We could do this if the community just admitted there is a problem.
>>The treatment is availible, and not horrible expensive. The community doesn’t have to acknowledge anything – an individual could go to a professional. As far as mishkav zachar…well, can they be cured? There was a great article on Aish about that.
And the dose can be adjusted to permit a married relationship. You’re talking about $3000 a year. We could easily subsidize it. The drug is called Decapeptyl, and it’s a monthly injection. I believe there are other non-permanent drugs as well.
It could also be used temporarily, to get things under control and give therapy & group work a chance to work.
This goes under my idea to establish a place – a hotline, a website, for these people to get subsidized, confidential, professional help.
If someone strikes, we need to strike back mercilessly. But the best thing if they never strike. We need thinking on both ends.