cucumber:
“Someone who was brought up with abuse or who had his/her confidence destroyed by someone else could not control that. Sure he can choose what to do next and how to respond but his choice is not on the same level as someone brought up well and he is still not a happy person. Passing on the chain of abuse is wrong. But all that can’t change the fact the abuser is still an unhappy person who is suffering too.”
Yes people who are abused often become abusive. However, people also become abusive by themselves (or else how did the chain begin?) so I don’t think we can say an abuser has necessarily been abused.
Also, I think this whole abuser=abused thing is only by child abuse. Most other evil paths are self-chosen.
tbt:
“mw13: I think you may be oversimplifying things. Its a very broad discussion, which can be had. But first, we would have to clearly outline what we’re debating and what conclusion we are trying to arrive at.”
We are debating whether one is responsible for their own evilness, or whether it is caused by outside factors. What conclusion you are trying to arrive at will depend on which side of the debate you take.
“Iuv (????) tried to exempt all the reshoim from being punished. What was he thinking?”
I do not know. But what bearing does this have on our discussion?
“Do you believe that seeing a psychologist, not a psychiatrist (who prescribes medications), is ever warranted?”
Absolutely.