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gavra_at_work
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SJS:

I’m not arguing with you about the specifics of the case (which I stand by what I posted much earlier in the thread, and in my previous post), nor about the generalities (there is a time and place to break the law). I did not see the sign, so I won’t comment on it.

From your last post, you are bothered by the specific unthinking actions of the bochrim, and how it may have hurt their “cause”. No disagreement here.

As a postscript, a story, from a Ran in Keddushin (IIRC).

After Rav (the Amorah) died, his Talmidim decided that each one of them would make a neder to be mekabel one of their Rebbe’s chumrahs. Rav Yosef was the one who was Mekabel not to look outside his own four Amos, so that he should not see things he shouldn’t see. He worked and worked at it, but was unsuccessful. Seeing that he would be unable otherwise to fulfill his Kabalah, he weakened his eyes to the point where he was blinded.

It is easy for a woman to say “just do it” with Arayos. Hashem, in his infinite wisdom, created males with a strong Yetzer Hara for Arayos. Rav Yosef, an Amorah, was unable to “just do it”. It is a lifelong fight, and it never ends.

Or as I have posted before: “You don’t know the power of the Dark Side”.