bochur – “Had we merely “taken it” like you said, we would all be dead by now!”
Just because a person/people do/does something wrong doesn’t mean Hashem destroys you on the spot. It’s called Bechira.
“This is “reishit smichat legeulateinu”!!!
Bochur -This statement is Kefira.
Even Charlie said – “My rav told me that Rav Soloveitchik z’tz’l did not like “reshit semichat geulateinu”.
“We finally have a Jewish state! Look at all the yeshivos and bnei Torah funded by the government! kefirah?”
Yup, it is! Obviously them supporting Bnei Torah and yeshivos isn’t, but the ideology is!