Edited. I will address them one by one.
“In the USA without ObamaCare we are allowed to go to any doctor we want whenever we want and spend how much you want. Granted if you have insurance you may be limited to co-pays, referrals, etc. The bottom line is, it is YOUR choice”.
It is only your choice if you have the money to pay for it. Otherwise, your (probably) for-profit health insurer decides who you can see. The exception is if you are lucky enough to have Medicare, as it does not restrict choice at all. And that is a government plan.
“Under ObamaCare you will be a ward of the govt. They will be the ones to approve or disapprove your doctor visits, procedures etc. Care WILL HAVE TO BE rationed in order to as Obama claims, “keep prices in check.” Of course the left – which are the only ones pushing for this – claim that isnt the case however that IS the case anywhere else there is socialized medicine.”
This is not just a lie, it is hypocritical. The plans available under Obamacare will be private plans, not government plans. And one of the big criticisms of the Republicans has been that Obamacare costs too much. They can’t seem to decide whether it is better to attack the President for providing too much coverage or for providing too little.
Furthermore, government care is not necessarily restricted. All my wife’s patients have New York Medicaid. Not once has Medicaid ever denied coverage for a treatment she has recdommended.
“Check it out, people in Canada who are able DO COME to the USA for treatment instead of waiting for treatment there. Foreigners DO COME to the USA for treatment when they have a wait in their country. People like CharlieHall (an uber left liberal blogger) will tell you thats not the case however they are either lying to you so swallowing Socialist flavored Kool-Aid without thinking things thru clearly.
And Americans go to Canada and Mexico for treatment.
“I had a brother who got sick (coma etc) in the UK and I saw the shoddy healthcare they had there. The primary care doc didnt want to do certain tests because he was insistent to my mother that all my brother had was a cold and he didnt want to go to school. Had he run a simple check, he would have seen that the airway was closing!!! I am not CHV questioning HKBH’s plan but we do have to think of derech ha’teva too.”
And had the doctor asked for the tests, he would have gotten them.
“Anyway, hospitals there closed or were revamped. Now when you get sick you go to hospital 1 and if you need additional care they transport you to hospital 2.”
That is actually the way things work in much of the US, too.
” In USA terms lets say CHV something happens, you are transported to the doctors office. If you need additional care, such as surgery, scans etc., they transfer you to another hospital. THAT IS SHEER LUNACY!!”
Not necessarily. Clinics and hospitals refer patients all the time. And one of the reasons health care costs in the US are so high is the over-use of higher-tier levels of care.
‘People talk about E”Y. Well E”Y has a minute amount of people we do. We have 325 MILLION people and counting!! In EY, my sister broke her finger and needed a splint. She was told to come back in the morning. HELLO!! Something is VERY WRONG with that!! If you cant rely on the hospital to have the equipment needed to do what they have to, whats the point of the hospital?!?!’
That is better than in much of the US. Go to many emergency departments with a broken finger and you will spend the night in the waiting room. They are busy dealing with people with life-threatening conditions.
And many hospitals don’t have facilities or staff to treat everything. For example, if you are shot, stabbed, burned, bitten by a venomous reptile, or seriously injured in an auto accident, you want to go to a trauma center and not an ordinary hospital. If you are threatening suicide, you need to be at a hospital with a locked psychiatric inpatient unit. Not every 100 bed community hospital can handle everything.
“The American people were told this will bring healthcare costs down saving the govt money which is a lie! Until now, we were paying for the healthcare. If we went to a doc, we paid either out of pocket or with a co-pay but the GOVT DID NOT PAY. Now, the govt will pay! So if someone had 100k worth of medical expenses in 2011 which was paid by the insurance provider, and now the govt pays for it, that means the govt takes on an additional 100K of debt for your healthcare. Where is the govt saving in that? If you didnt buy milk and now the govt tells you you have to buy milk, you ARE spending money on something that you had not done before. This is an additional expense to you.”
The plans to be made available under the law are PRIVATE plans that YOU have to pay for.
“There are other problems with the bill as well. It is unconstitutional for the govt to mandate that you buy something and you are mandated to buy health “insurance” of some sort with this bill. The left will tell you that you have to buy auto insurance but there is a fallacy in their argument. You see, you have a choice with auto insurance, in the fact that if you dont have a car, you DONT have to buy auto insurance. You dont have a choice not to breath.”
Well several courts have disagreed with you. And given that the federal government passed a mandatory health insurance purchase law in 1798, it is likely that the courts will ultimately follow a 213 year old precedent.