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Did I say that Reb Meir said Libi Chalal Bekirbi?

You implicated as such. As you said…

Reb Meir, having learned and broken his nature, reached a level where, as the Chovos Halevavos writes, the Yetzer Hara left him. This is what the Gemara refers to as, Libi Chalal Bekirbi.

As per your second point:

His Chet was caused by him asking for a Nisayon

That Ma’amer. OK. IIRC, the reason he asked for it was because he thought he was on the level due to “Libi Chalal Bekirbi”, and he wanted the Yidden to treat him like he was an Av, and Hashem said the Avos passed Nisyonos & you didn’t.

But you did not answer the fundamental question. If R’ Meir failed in the same place that his wife did, why does that prove NDK?

The answer I think you are trying to give is that of “coffee addict”, that NDK could affect Bruriah, because she didn’t need the Satan itself (as a stronger Yetzer Hara) to dress up as a man?