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rebdoniel
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charliehall,

Firstly, oppressive taxation is not the Jewish way. I once said that I am a Constitutionalist because I like keeping the money I earn. You replied that my money belongs to HaShem, not to me. Yes, it does belong to HKBH, NOT to the IRS/Barry Soetoro/the State of New York, like the Progressives want us to believe. If I could keep my money, than I’d be able to give 20% of my income to tzedakah, which would help poor yidden, yeshivos, and the dissemination of torah, not to go for the abortions of 14 year olds, bureaucrats’ salaries, salaries of Public School teachers, welfare for drug addicts who don’t want to work, etc. It is my money in a political context, and as a Yid, I should have the ability and freedom to use it to serve HaShem b’mitzvas tzedakah.

Pat Buchanan is no longer a member of the GOP. In fact, his foreign policy is liberal, not Neo-Conservative (I am fairly libertarian on domestic issues, with the exceptions of moral issues and foreign policy, on which I am more Neo-Con- I am almost 99% like Rep. Dr. Larry McDonald, obm, due to this). He was thrown out of the GOP. GHW Bush was NOT A Conservative or religious man- he was a liberal, WASP, CFR establishment guy from New England who put on a Texan facade to dupe the country just like his son did in 2000, another fake conservative and fiscal liberal). Let us not confuse apples and oranges here.

I have no reason to believe Ron Paul is an anti-semite. He has no hatred for the Jews. Do you base this on the fact he wants America to end foreign aid to Israel? This is based in his principled belief that we should not give foreign aid to ANY country. Had he felt that we should give money to countries EXCEPT Israel, than he would be an anti-semite. He wants to stop giving aid to Israel and all other countries we currently give money to. The truth is that the left wing is full of bleeding hearts who want to give money to the Hamas regime (aka Palestinians), continue funding the Jew-hating United Nations and its refugee agencies who help the Arab squatters in our land, and donate to Indonesia, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, etc. (under the pathetic guise of helping “moderate” Islamofascist regimes), while defunding what they perceive to be a repressive, prosperous, white country of Jews killing the poor, helpless, Palestinians who “have no choice” but to blow up buses to cope with their “internalized oppression.”

If we did end the measly $2 B we give them per year, you know what would happen? Israel would stop being a yehudion country, insecure and biting its nails all the time worrying about what the UN, America and Obama would think. Had we not given Israel the tight-fisted sum of $2 B a year, which makes not much of a difference at all, Israel would emerge as a nation that is sovereign, that makes its own decisions in confidence and Jewish pride, without having to fear the wrath of the United States. I fault Obama and Bush equally here- due to Israel taking American money, they humbly agreed that American policy would dictate Israeli policy. This is the reason why Gaza and now East Yerushalayim and Yesha, c”v, have been and will be rendered judenrein. You can blame the hitnatkut, which the Bush State Department, mainstream American Modern Orthodoxy and some Israeli Dati supported (OU, RCA, YU, R’ Yosef Blau, Gush, R’ Amital), with the few exceptions of the Chardalim, Igud Harabbonim, JTF, R’ Friedman, Young Israel, Chabadnikim, R’ Lior, R’ Melamed, R’ Aviner, and Jewish and Evangelical allies in America, on foreign aid and its implications. Israel should not be the horse, and America needs to stop waving the carrot. Plain and simple.

Had Ron Paul been elected, there would have been no disengagement and Israel would not have succumbed to pressure to committ suicide. Why? Because US foreign aid money, which comes with the condition of doing what the US gov’t wants done, would be off the table. Instead, Paul would have created an atmosphere of free trade with Israel, which would have enabled the Israeli economy to continue developing and fluorishing, rather than remaining impotent under the oppression of foreign aid. And we would have had an America that respected Israel’s right to defend herself, as she sees fit, without the rest of the world telling her what to do.

In fact, R’ Meir Kahane, Moshe Feiglin/Shmuel Sackett and the Manhigut Yehudit faction of the Likud Party, economist Yoel Bainerman ( http://www.meforum.org/258/end-american-aid-to-israel-yes-it-does-harm), Caroline Glick, Ilana Mercer, Boris Karpa, Aaron Zelman (who runs Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership) and Ron Paul’s economic adviser, who happen to be Jewish, Peter Schiff, among other Jewish libertarians and free-market economists, all agree that Israel’s acceptance of American foreign aid compromises Israeli sovereignty, negatively steers Israeli domestic polciy, and hinders Israeli prosperity. Would you say that these Jews are anti-semites?

In fact a Tzioni organziation called the Zionist Freedom Alliance endorsed Ron Paul, as did a leader of Manhigut Yehudit, which were featured on Arutz Sheva: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/124307

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7552

Are Yehuda Hakohen and Shmuel Ben-Gad anti-semites?

In Ron Paul’s own words, “No foreign aid means that we’ve cut off all the aid to all the enemies of Israel,” he said. “And they get three times as much money as Israel gets. And Israel is the powerhouse in the Middle East, so they’re going to stay strong and defend themselves.”

“I’m defending the sovereignty of Israel,” Paul continued. “We shouldn’t have a veto over what they want to do with their borders. We shouldn’t have a veto on their peace process. And if we weren’t there interfering and telling them what they can and can’t do, I think they would have more peace overtures.”

Are these the words of a Jew-hater?

Does anyone remember Osirak? When Israel took out the Iraqi nuclear reactor Osirak in 1981 in Operation Opera, in an act of self-defense, the Reagan administration condemned Israel (like the child who gets scolded when they don’t listen to daddy or mommy, who feed them) in a harsh rage, and of course, the UN attacked the Jewish State in UNSC Resolution 487

Most congressmen, Republicans and Democrats, condemned Israel, as well, for this justified act of self-defense.

And you know who the only congressman defending Israel was? Ron Paul (see the Congressional Record if you don’t believe me).

Let me note, however, that I am not a Ron Paul supporter. However, do not call Non-interventionism (the approach of George Washington and Thomas Jefferson) anti-semitism. George Washington said we should avoid “all entangling alliances.” He also wrote magnanimous letters to the heads of Touro Synagogue that charliehall has always posted for the olam to see. Would you say that George Washington hated Jews because he believed America shouldn’t get invovled in other countries’ affairs?

Like I said above, I am of the Larry McDoanld mindset. I believe in a free market economy, traditional morals, and a foreign policy that robustly defends our allies in the fight against oppression, communism, statism/totalitarianism in any of its forms, left or right, Islamofascism, and all other threats to the free world. I cannot support Ron Paul’s foreign policy of not defending our allies in the struggle for freedom by aiding Israel, Taiwan, South Korea, and other such countries. However, I would also like to point out the fallacy in equating Ron Paul’s support of the founders’ foreign policy with anti-semitism.

His economics, though, are of the Austrian School, the most free-market economic system, created by Ludwig Von Mises and Murray Rothbard (2 Jews), and led by thinkers such as Walter Block (Jewish) and HaRav professor Yisroel Meir Kirzner, an NYU Professor of Austrian Economics and a musmach of R’ Hutner at Chaim Berlin. In fact, R’ Joanthan Sacks even delivered a lecture at the right-wing Institute of Economic Affairs in London England, where he is a fellow, and gave a speech liberally quoting the great Austrian economists- Hayek, Von Mises, etc. ( http://www.aei.org/book/582). This lecture was held in MEMORY of Friedrich Hayek, a father of Austrian Ron Paul-style economics.

As a Democrat, your economic darlings are John Maynard Keynes and Karl Marx, the latter of which envisioned “A World Without Jews” and called Jews “capitalist hucksters” and the former of which called Jews “ugly, repulsive, and impure” (he was the architect of the New Deal), http://www.spectator.co.uk/clivedavis/3274946/keynes-and-antisemitism.thtml

Also, charliehall, you boast of your wife’s position as a general practitioner and of your serving as a statistics professor at AECOM. Is “really crazy nutty” a scientifically-accepted term? I wonder what the DSM-IV diagnostic criteria are for this condition known as being a “really crazy nutty?” Is this classified as an anxiety disorder, a somatoform disorder, a mood disorder, or a psychotic disorder? Are you promoting Soviet-style Psikushka, aka punitive psychiatry, in which those who express political opinions differing from those you hold to be true are deemed to be mentally ill? Do all of us right-wingers in your solitary mind have “sluggish schizophrenia,” the arbitrary diagnosis used by left-wing Soviet psychiatrists against freedom-minded people like Solzhenitsyn?

Ayn Rand, by the way, was a bas yisroel (Alina Rosenberg), despite her imperfections. (Sorry, have to run to vasiknin and shiur).