Reply To: anyone else been to OWS

define substantial idea…i mean how does this differ from the senate or congress? some senator picks a cause…proposes an idea to his staff…the staff write the bill…he approves it and then it goes before both houses of congress. it starts as a kernel, just a “what if” and then it turns into a bill.

unfortunately citizens cant introduce legislation and i doubt congresspeople would be bothered to even review a citizen made bill…so “what ifs” is all we have as citizens. seriously…tell me…what do you expect from OWS…an alternate form of government? theyre a bunch of people with interesting ideas you cant possibly expect nor should you expect fully detailed pieces of legislation from them. you wouldnt expect it of yourself either.

“but my opinion is still kinda the same: a bunch of ppl trying to change the world by making noise”

BINGO! you finally understand OWS! see you make enough noise you get attention. you get attention you get people to talk to you. you get people to talk to you…and if what ypu have to say is convincing and makes sense…then you now have one more supporter. i cite myself as a perfect example.

idk if you get the impression from talking to me on the CR…my friends would be able to confirm this. i am not easily taken in by movements of any kind and it is very difficult to change my mind on an issue. you have to be really convincing to do that. the fact that i support OWS should stand testament to their validity, for whatever its worth.

“but from what i’ve scanned is the raid kinda backfired in that it incited those in the group more inclined to violence.”

that is true…and it makes me very sad. i believe strongly in what the OWS people are doing, which is encouraging open discussion about the most important issues of the day, and the fat that what was always intended as a peaceful demonstration was hijacked by a bunch of hothead lunatics. that bloody kid will forever be the face of OWS and it is so tragic..after all they worked for…to have THAT represent them.

“how do you feel about OWS having these anti-semitic and terrorist comments (Jews control Wall Street, molotov cocktails at Macy’s)”

it hurts me as a person and it hurts me as a jew. however im not blaming OWS for that. i ws called a slave trader and a greedy jew at OWS by one nut. i saw NO anti semitic signs, i was treated respectfully by everyone else i encountered, and i met quite a few jewish occupiers. i do not, in ANY way, hold OWS responsible for any of the racism or vandalism that has resulted from the movement, much in the same way i dont hold Martin Luther King Jr responsible for any unintended violence or racism that resulted from his movement. there is always a fringe of every group which feels that violence and hate is the only answer and to hold the movements which they exploit responsible would be a terrible victory for that fringe.

“Wall Street certainly can be criticized, which is why this conspiracy is a very clever tactic to help re-elect Obama and keep him looking like a man of the people.”

OWS, and i say this based on the people i spoke to, does not support either side. it is completely non partisan because neither side is satisfying their claims.

“The rest of us are coasting by on the fumes of America’s past greatness.”

very true.