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If a Jew is entitled – there is nothing wrong with taking”

You miss the point entirely. NOBODY is entitled to anything. This is not an entitlement and it never was. When did you decide that the government OWES us a living?

And while it is incumbent upon ALL Jews to help each other out, and giving tzedakah is not charity, but an act of righteousness, I have NO obligation to support anyone with my wallet money or tax dollars, just because he wants to sit and learn for X number of years. My husband (who also would love to have sat and learned)and I (when I was not busy raising my children) worked very hard to put food on the table and pay our bills. We take pride in paying our own way through life. The people whom you seem to feel are owed a living either by this country or by our kehillah, have grown up with the mindset that it is “coming to them.” Wake up. It is NOT coming to them or to anyone else. Who is going to pay the way for THEIR kids when they grow up thinking this lifestyle is the norm? Certainly not their parents, who were being supported by THEIR parents? Every boy cannot be a rebbie or Rosh Yeshivah. But that is basically what they are being groomed for in the Kollel.

Btw, there very much IS something wrong with taking – unless you are also in some way giving back to the person from whom you take. Takers are users. When you take advantage of a program just because it exists, in order to avoid being a responsible adult, that is IMO very wrong. It does not build character. I am not talking about people who simply cannot earn a decent living. Those programs were set in place to help them. To HELP them, not to supplant the need for them to get a job. When we see nisht unzereh taking advantage of these programs, we are critical of them. But when Yidden circumvent the rules or play games in order to get Medicaid, food stamps, housing etc. then it suddenly becomes kosher. Except it isn’t kosher. Because when Jews are discovered playing these games, it makes the front page headlines.