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yungerman1 –

We never say the kli is shishim times the contents.

L’gabei the contents, I know. What about l’gabei the pot? I’m not disagreeing but can you tell me where I can see this inside?

Ovens: His basic raya is the fact that throughout 108, especially in s’if 2, which lechorah would be a classic case of zei’ah, the Rema is silent. Only in one specific case – the machavas – did the Rema mention it. He made diyukim the lashon of the Darkei Moshe and the Teshuvas Ri to make his case further. He also brought the She’eilas Yaavetz that I quoted before to Sam2 who says this mefurash. He also quoted some new sefer beshem R’ Shlomo Miller saying that they never used to burn out ovens (I guess he’s talking about in Lakewood back in the day).

What he suggested as the logic behind it is that wherever the heat is equal inside and outside, such as on a rack in an oven (if you put it on the floor of the oven it might be different), there is no zei’ah.

Regarding the ??? ????? ??, I have yet to learn that Shach and Taz, but I’m happy to see the halacha is pretty much as I assumed above.