by the way, on the subject of kiruv for orthoprax people, ive come to the conclusion that its pointless. the foundation of their problem (not the cause…the cause is usually something unrelated to religion itself) is a complete lack of belief in god and by extension the torah. ive given up trying to convince people to believe in god because i feel that it is a personal decision–not one that can be made for someone else. i can share my experiences, i can tell them why i believe, but i cant try to make them believe. we are all given free will, and for many if not most people born frum in never really is a choice we have to make, but it can be, and if it is, it is one of the hardest decisions a person would have to make in life.
the people i have come across usually try to instigate a fight with me in hope that by making me look like an idiot theyll be secure enough in their kefirah. im not going to facilitate that, and i dont believe the conversation would be productive even if i did win the argument, so i just dont bother. i gladly debate everything with anyone who wants to except the existence of god–i just see it as a pointless endeavour.