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yitayningwut
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Again, testing will not accomplish anything. Except maybe turning people off of learning.

I believe modchebp was not suggesting that one not be allowed to stay in yeshiva or kollel without testing, only that there be two different tracts.

About the tests, I would not suggest standardized tests for the entire yeshiva, but rather each Rosh Chabura should test based on whatever he thinks the capabilities of his guys are. The point of the testing is not for them to prove themselves academically, there already is such a system in place for halacha sugyas, but that’s not the point here, the point is to show who is actually serious about their learning and who isn’t just there because it’s convenient. Even an easy test would do.

And if even this throws people off, well shoot me for saying this, but let them get thrown off. If someone is in yeshiva or kollel because they get a free ride and he can wake up at eleven and sit in the coffee room and hock all day, I do not really care that he decides to leave yeshiva. And before you attack me, consider also the fact that the presence of such people in a yeshiva is not just neutral, it does as a matter of fact disturb the general ambiance and bring the serious guys down even if only in a not very noticeable, but very significant way.