“This poor girl seems mentally ill.”
so thats it? the world is split into frum people and the mentally ill?
**Don’t think I said that. Nice assumption though.
“I don’t understand why people couldn’t just reject the rigidity of Satmar and the like and just become frum Jews.”
because its not a matter of religion its a matter of society, community, and acceptance.
** That is exactly my point. If she hates not driving, marrying a man she just met and shaving her head… leave Satmar, not Judaism. I ask again, I don’t understand why people couldn’t just reject the rigidity of Satmar and the like and just become frum Jews. The fact that she gave it ALL up proves that her taina is not with Satmar it’s with all Judaism.
” not just Chassidus. if she was, she would just become a regular religious Jew.”
the third time youve contradicted yourself
** Don’t think I have even once.
“shkoyach. so you are the perfect parallel. you didnt go from being irreligious to being ever so slightly religious and stay there, you became frum. why go all the way?”
** While don’t appreciate your patronizing attitude I will still answer the question. I, in fact didn’t “go all the way.” I was brought up anti-religious and leftist Democrat. When I became Frum I adopted the RELIGION and not the SOCIETY… i.e. I am still a Democrat, left on many social issues, etc. I didn’t buy into the no secular music, no jeans, black suit, black hat because those are all CULTURAL things that I reject. AGAIN she could have REJECTED THE CULTURE without REJECTING THE RELIGION. Many people leave the world of the Amish (a culture) to live as good Christian Mennonites (a religion). Most don’t chuck it all and become Buddhist or Jewish.
“do you thing you would have been accepted by your community had you not gone all the way?”
** I don’t really care. I am who I am. I love G-d and follow His Torah. If someone doesn’t like the fact that I am not black hat Yeshivish I say who cares? My wife wears a tichel only and refuses to wear a sheitel because she thinks it is contrary to the way a Jewish should look. That’s her choice. My Rav didn’t wear a black hat because his Yeshivah (Chofeitz Chaim) taught, back in the day, that black hats were haughty and people wore them only to say… look at me! I’m frum! That’s his choice. FYI- My wife’s family were Satmar (directly descended from the Baal Kitzur Shulchan Aruch in Ungvar Hungary. None of them are still Satmar but they are ALL FRUM. Guess you don’t have to go “all the way” do you?
“She was seemingly always “off the derech” as she did not have or retain a love for Hashem and His Mitzvos. It’s a prime example of culture clash and has little to do with religion.”
which shows that you understand the difference between religion and society, and begs the question why you dont understand why she renounced her judaism.
** You are making no sense. Last I checked, Judaism was a religion. She left it all… Chassidus and Judaism. She could have just left Chassidus.
“The frum world, from MO to Yeshivish should be open and accepting of those off the derech and be available to them to find the proper road back.”
so now youre completely recanting everything you said, and are criticizing frum jewery.
** Are you high? How do you get that from what I said?
“I would gladly have her, her son and her non-Jewish boyfriend over for Shabbos.”
have at it
** Do you have her number?