ZeesKite -“Again ({and again and..}) – you don’t have to call me any names or be upset with me. Neither a megaleh ponim, nor a Joseph(!?! – where did that come from?). I’m not in this to fight, at all!!”
I didn’t call you a name -I just said you posted differently when you posted under the Joseph name.
As far as Megaleh Ponim -you were; because you defended molesters and said they are B’chlal Amesecha. This was done on purpose probably. Either way B’mazid or B’shogeg you have to do Teshuva. There almost is No such thing as a one time molester and you said all molesters.
“Getting back to my point – as you yourself so well repeated – a mumar lta’avon, muchzak, as a molester, still need requirements. As you’ve stated “as long as you don’t make more than it is..” A porek ol does not need any requirements. Kindly correct me if I’m wrong.”
Look you said all molesters, even ones that you & they have completed all requirements. Since this isn’t the Halacha you were Megaleh Ponim B’torah Shelo K’halacha. The question to you was do you hate molesters the same way you hate DF. And your answer was you don’t hate molesters because they are only Mumers L’teavon. Since most Molesters don’t fall into this category -you either like them anyway, in spite of them being Reshayim or you pick and choose what part of the C.C. to listen to.
“As far as your referencing to Gemorahs that say about whom HaShem hates, I don’t think it’s brought down ANYWHERE, in any sefer halacha or mussar, as a Mitzvah for US to hate those who HaShem hates. As HaLeiVi quoted a Gemarrah that says HaShem hates someone who walks suddenly into his OWN house (Nidda 16b). Many other things there too.”
Noone said that you have to hate s/o because Hashem hates them. You keep posting the same thing. Stop twisting my words.
Btw, now that you finally posted where the Gemorah is – I looked it up. Ben Sira says 3 I hate and four I don’t love. The one Hashem doesn’t love is entering the home etc. He doesn’t hate it.
R’ Shimon Bar Yochai says 4 things Hashem hates. So you see Hashem hates the action, not the person, as opposed to a “Frum Faker” -Hashem hates the person.
Now back to my point -The only Heter to hate another Jew if he is a Rosho. So you hate DF because she is a Rosho -fine. I asked do you hate other Reshayim, like “Frum Fakers” eg. molesters as much as her. Since you Dreyed out of it -I can only assume you don’t.
Why you don’t I just discussed above. But the fact that you don’t hate other Reshayim, even those that it says Hashem hates -this I find very problematic!