I’m not sure- and I’m not one of those people who can quote meforshim and gemorahs proving their point- but I can tell you what I was taught- (mesorah! the strongest form of proof….)I remember learning that it’s not one or the other- it’s an amazing combination that we can not begin to comprehend. They work together relying on each other- In addition- no one knows what is happening up there…… we can only imagine…. and even our imagination can’t begin to understand it. If anyone has any meforesh for what I just said please let me know-
