I brought the M”B in 225 not as a raya, but as a possible explanation for why even the R’ma would asser by bishul.”
Yea -what’s the explanation?
Read the M”B; someone who pakens shailos by himself surely can read and understand a M”B.
Say after me -Yoshon, Yoshon, Yoshon!
I did not follow the Yoshon discussion, but I’m not sure if you’re making a basic mistake in assuming Yoshon was assered by Chaza”l; it is in fact, d’oraiso.
You know the gas in the balloon can run out or that the fire won’t last -so since you set it up this way to cook on Shabbos like this -this is like Peshiah.
They did set it up to last; occasionally (as the Darchei Moshe says), it would go out.
In my case the crock pot can burn the whole Shabbos, but you forgot to plug it in or it got unplugged.
You should have plugged it in and made sure the plug was secure. Big peshia! (I’m arguing l’shitoscha; your whole point is irrelevant and invented.)
I provided the source on the page before -read my posts before responding:
“He says why you can tell the Goy to open the bathroom light in your house in ???? ?”? in the Hebrew section.” Piskei Hilchos Shabbos vol. 4.
I don’t have access to that sefer, and even so, kavod habrios is bigger than your cholent; if you disagree, you’ll need to bring a raya.
You also claimed that he addresses it in B’er Moshe, which I do have access to, but for some reason you have not been able to provide that source.
If you have a RAYA that I’m wrong – by all means post it, until then stop with the semantics!
I have brought several; even if you erroneously think there’s a difference between your case and 253, you need to explain the R’ma in 328. You should also check out Aruch Hashulchan 34 – 36, who learns the R’ma distiction between a food which had cooled and one still warm, as applying to kavod Shabbos, and a mitzvah which would be muttar in a case of shvus d’shvus, but NOT a d’oraiso.
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9101&st=&pgnum=47
Hello99 and I are mostly arguing semantics (the term tzorech gadol vs. tzorech Shabbos), and whether one, in theory one would have to protest. We agree, however, that what you did was clearly assur according to all shittos we follow (and I think even according to the shittos we don’t follow).