tahini -“This debate is nothing to do with religion and simply is politics, with different groups desiring not to ” dilute” their identity or re-examine their attitudes, something we have always previously done!”
Don’t try to twist and distort the facts. It has everything to do with religion.
“My sons have served in the Israeli armed forces and have never felt compromised in religious terms, what they have felt,”
Either they got lucky or they have different religious standards than the rest of us.
“Those values have less to do with Torah and more to do with cultural affiliation and sectarianism.”
Again more distortion.
“Ask foreign yeshiva bachurim in EY how many times they have sought the help of Israeli armed forces or emergency services as one of their tiyulim has gone wrong. The answer is plenty, as ill experienced sheltered young men have strayed onto dangerous territory or encountered volatile situations. They do not just sit and learn Torah when in danger, they call for help, Hashem gives us free will and the power to learn, fight and work.”
So what? You mean gov. services are only for the Chilonim and not for the Charedim?
“Why are people focusing on isolated stories that certain groups exaggerate to promote the status quo.”
Because these are now the rules & regs of the Israeli army!
“Have any of you been in a life or death situation, understood what pikuach nefesh actually means when dealing with warfare?”
What does this have to do with anything?
“The USA like the UK is blessed to have no need for national conscription and has a fine professional army, Israel’s position is very different.”
No, it’s not!
“It really is grotesque to read of how fighting in the IDF or learning Torah are described as two separate entities, deliberately ignoring and besmirching the thousands of observant men in the armed forces who do both.”
Yes, most Gedolim hold it’s two separate entities, in spite of your opinion to the contrary.