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RationalRose
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So here is the score for the anti-medinah people (who beleive it was and is a mistake, not just have criticism)

Jews return to Israel en masse after 2000 years – something beyond anyones wildest dreams until it happened

Jews create a viable state that is more successful than anyone could have imagined

Jews are able to protect themselves with their own army that is the envy of many in the Western world

Jews from the darkest corners of the world finally have a refuge that will take them in – and they start coming in from places off the mainstream Jewish map for centuries

Torah and Torah-based Judaism is flourishing in a way that is beyond anyone’s wildest dreams pre or post Holocaust.

And these are just the big ticket items. Every day babies are born in Jewish hospitals with Jewish doctors, mail is delivered by Jewish postman. Jewish farmers farm the land in the most innovative ways and have returned Israel to a physical beauty that it probably never achieved. etc. etc. etc.

I think <objectively> a religious person would view these things as a gift from G-d and an unprecedented opportunity for His people – especially as it appears to be what Hashem promised so long ago. It may not be a proof for G-d but it should at least make you pretty happy if you are a believer.

But to be anti-medinah you have to REJECT all this. You have to say it is all an illusion. It is not G-d’s work but the work of evil. All the positives must be reduced to nothing and all the negatives must be magnified until the gift becomes something dark and twisted.

To be this rejectionist and bitter takes a lot of energy. You have to constantly deny and be negative. You have to be sad for each achievement and happy with each failure (not c”v the deaths of Israelis – I hope but maybe a little glee when Israel gets a black eye). You have to side with the opinions of some of the worst anti-semites (although not to the extent of N”K).

But not only this. You have no doubts that this is the Torah-true view. You are 100% certain that it is all a bad mistake and should be rolled back. You are not willing to explore other Gedolim’s opinions (even ones you otherwise find acceptable) or be influenced at all by Israeli history, achievements, and Torah growth. It is all an illusion and/or despite the state. I only hope (or wish) that this is just the public face put on for the sake of argument and that deeper down there is some feeling that maybe this is all a G-d given miracle. Not a desire to say Hallel on Yom Haatzmaut but just some positive feeling of hakarat hatov to HKB”HU.