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“The Minhag or tradition was that women didn’t go. It wasn’t the tourist attraction it is now. We didn’t need to make a Medina, against Hashem’s will, to make all the Mekomos Hakedoshim into tourist attractions!”

So women should just not daven at the wall or kivrei tzaddikim? Fantastic!

“No, it’s not! We have free will to do what we want whether it’s good or bad. This is a fundamental principLE (not s/o in charge of schools.) which is called “Bechira” in Judaism. How come you never heard of this?”

Of course I have. How come you have never heard of ain od milvado? Just because you don’t understand how free will can exist in harmony with everything coming from Hashem, doesn’t mean that it isn’t the case.

“No, I don’t believe in Zionism or the State.”

That should have no impediment on you living in Eretz Yisrael.

“It’s Ossur right now acc. to almost e/o to have a State based on Kefira. The only question amongst the Gedolim is what to do about it now that it’s here. Except for a very few e/o held you’re not allowed to make such a Medina!”

So it seems the only one stuck to the past is you. The Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rav Ovadia Yosef, all the big tzaddikim from litvish, Belzer/Gerrer Rebbeim etc all knew that there is a clear and overriding issue of pikuach nefesh that dictates how we must relate to the medinah.

You personally believe Yidden living in Eretz Yisrael would be SAFER without the medinah. That’s fine. You’ll forgive me however if I, and others, side with the opinion of Gedolei Yisrael instead.

Your nostalgic dreams of Ottoman Turkish rule are a modern day fairy tale. The facts on the ground are such:

1. The medinah exists.

2. It’s facilitating the fulfillment of the mitzvah of living in Eretz Yisrael and studying Torah in Eretz Yisrael en masse.

3. Ceeding land presents a clear danger to the lives of Yidden and is assur d’oraita.

4. Hashem runs the World. Don’t like it? Take it up with Him. I advise doing so from Eretz Yisrael, preferably the Kotel.