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Allow me to clarify the intent of my question – pretend I am merely conducting a form of social experiment and that I have no personal interest in the actual answers (although admittedly I do). Assuming there is an infinite Creator, which to me seems easier to prove than to disprove, how do we know that the Torah (shebich’sav) is an exact representation of His Will and as such is presumably infallible? And I am not interested so much in the form of the proof, as long as it is convincing; as long as it warrants a person to live his/her life based on the Truth therein.

Curiosity: If you know of R’ Keleman’s proof, which follows your line of reasoning, we can skip several steps and boil his ‘bomb’ down to the fact that no other religion has ever made such a claim as ‘national revelation’, and that itself is the proof – why is no other religion based on such a claim unless Judaism is special? But how many religions are even old enough to make a claim such as that and get away with it? Any claim about a huge event within the past couple centuries can easily be verified or disproved from countless sources. Would you need more than both hands to count the number of religions that are older than that in the world? At the end of the day, I would still contend that R’ Keleman’s ‘past lie’ disproof, i.e. that someone came along at some point and convinced a group of people that their ancestors stood at Sinai, is a pretty strong argument. And his argument that if such a claim were natural (i.e. not supernatural), it would recur at some point later in history, I would argue that the opportunities necessary for such a claim to form anew diminish as communication advances and has advanced in the past centuries.

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