@Health, you are missing my point.
1st of all, as I said in my into, I am not going to discuss Levin, so I will not. My post was solely based upon Joseph’s comment that Hurricane is directly Yad Hashem and that the cruel animal in CT had bechira, so that somehow limits the ability for it to have been a gezaira from Hashem, thus preventing it from being for a certain reason (note, I am arguing the Torah here, not the individual events and not their causes)
Your logic is faulty.
Thanks for toning it down and not calling mt a lying antisemite
What is bothering you?
The fact that Joseph is claiming that one CAN say a hurricane is cause of toeva and that the shooting can’t be cause of bechira.
Bechira is my focus, not the hurricane, not the same gender unions, not even Levin.
After Nesana Tokef was ask Mi b’Cherev, Mi b’Mayim (who will die via sword, who will die via water). We say that Hashem does both. Yet the water is “directly from Hashem” and the sword was in someone’s hand! Nevertheless, they were both a gezeira from Hashem, no mention of bechira.
(and yes, we also say mi b’kizo mi lo b’kitzo, who in their proper time, who not in their proper time, I agree that people die not in their proper time, how can I not?)