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Mr. Health -“I didn’t see the Teshuva from R’Moshe you mentioned, but it’s possible that that’s why he holds in America it’s Mezonos (bec. he holds eats mainly eaten for a snack) not bec. of the Shitas Hataz.”
It’s possible that’s what he holds, but there are those who say Pizza is Pashtida, like our very own PBA from a previous topic.
PBA says -“I think you are making a mistake. Pizza is pretty clearly in the category discussed by the shulchan aruch in 168:17 regarding pashtida. The din of pashtida is that it is not pas kisnim at all, and one always makes hamotzi.”
And I honestly agree with him. Even though I just read online a lot of articles saying this Chiluk that Pizza is Not Pashtida and if you’re eating it as snack it’s Mezonos -this really doesn’t make any sense. First of all, some Achronim hold Pas without anything sweet is definitely Hamotzay like Pashtida and this is the definition of Pashtida. So right away R’ Moshe zt’l has to argue in this definition and you don’t find he argues. But let’s say he argues and Pizza doesn’t have to be Pashtida because it’s on the outside instead of the inside -to me this is a big Dochek.
I think it’s a less Dochek to say he holds like the Taz. Therefore
if you eat your hamburger slider (I picked a small burger -so people can’t say -“1 regular burger is a Kveias Seuda which I really doubt) with a Mezonos roll then you make a Mezonos.
To make these Chilukim between Pizza, burgers and Pashtida is ridiculous to me. People here tell me that there is no such thing as a “Mezonos roll” and therefore this slider is Pashtida and Hamotzay, but pizza with the cheese on top is Not Pashtida acc. to R’ Moshe zt’l. So what if I put the slider on top of the bun -so now I can make a Mezonos? To make all these Chilukim just to say R’ Moshe doesn’t hold like the Taz is in my mind a bigger Doichek than saying he Paskens like the Taz.
I saw written by the Rabbonim of YU that they hold a “Mezonos” roll is Hamotzay is because you can’t taste the apple juice.
This I don’t understand because the Mechaber holds that bread made out of “other” things is Mezonos. All he says that the “other stuff” has to be recognizable, if the Pshat is tastes like it – why wouldn’t he hold like the Rema that you need all or most May Pairos? This would be more likely to taste the May Pairos than a little bit of Fruit. And yet he holds it’s Mezonos, even with a little stuff inside.